After a period of absence, Dr Stefan Lanka came back to address the 'No virus' question
In a recent interview, Dr Lanka recounts his research and findings about viruses and gives an ultimately more hopeful outlook for those who got injected with a toxic experimental drug
image of the doctor Faust and Mephistopheles
This was our medicine; the patients died,
"Who were restored?" none cared to ask.
With our infernal mixture thus, ere long,
These hills and peaceful vales among,
We rag'd more fiercely than the pest;
Myself the deadly poison did to thousands give;
They pined away, I yet must live,
To hear the reckless murderers blest.
This above quotation comes from Goethe’s play Faust I, when the doctor, Faust, admits that he poisoned and killed thousands of people by the medicine he gave. This does not refer to a specific historical plague event but represents a generalised contagion of the type we read about in history books e.g. the Black Death. At that time the ‘treatments’ use by some doctors and referred to as the ‘Latwergen’ in Faust comprised of chemical potions containing mercury which had the kind of effects we might expect when administered to the ‘patients’.
Lanka mentions this in his interview probably to underline the point that over time, nothing has changed, only the lies told by the sellers of the potions. Yesterday it was mercury but we may not use that today so they have lipid nanoparticles because it’s more hi-tech and convincing.
Introduction
Dr. Stefan Lanka is a well known German biologist who, at the start of his academic research into human biology, quickly came to the realisation that there is little or no evidence to support the current medical paradigm of viruses as transmissible disease causing agents responsible for deadly contagion. Further, he has challenged the theories of cell biology and genetics.
Of course he was not the first to question the existence of viruses and he was mentored early in his career by Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos, a biophysicist who challenged the medical establishment on the existence of HIV virus and led the Australia based ‘Perth Group’ of scientists against the nonsense of HIV/AIDS. But Lanka certainly has been and still is a strong force in Europe and Germany in particular in bringing the scientific arguments for ‘no viruses’ to the public’s attention. References to Lanka’s work and current postings can be found here, here, here and here .
One of his greatest contributions to the understanding of what viruses are or are not was to carry out a series of laboratory cell culture experiments to conclusively demonstrate that what virologists claim is the deadly effect of a virus when added to a living tissue culture in a Petri dish laboratory experiment is in fact an artefact of a poorly designed procedure. This occurs because virologists, from the very start of of doing what has become a standard lab protocol used everywhere, failed to routinely include a control leg in their experiment which is a requirement of science. Thus they incorrectly attribute the cause of the Cytopathic Effect (CPE) or cell death which they observe to the added ‘virus sample’ when in fact the cell death can be explained by other factors in their protocols, most notably, starving the cells of nutrients after the ‘virus’ is added. This is the same procedure which is used today to manufacture what are called and sold as ‘virus isolates’.
Virology has even documented some rare cases of where a control leg with no virus was carried out and also exhibited cell death but such results have been ignored. Since the various methodologies used in virology all seem to have arisen from and be dependent upon this central premise of CPE, it is hard to see how this science has survived for so long in its present form given that its foundational core can be show to be fraudulent. Very possibly it would not have done so without the very strong financial interests from the pharma industry to preserve the status quo. But this is another topic altogether.
Lanka was very active in 2020 when the fake Corona pandemic terror attack was launched. In 2021 he wrote an open letter to the then German Health minister, Jens Spahn, pointing out the complete lack of scientific evidence to justify the destructive response measures being imposed in Germany for a threat which did not exist. He called for a return to real science but as we now know this was most definitely not wanted at the time, a fact which is clearly shown by the ‘leaked’ minutes of the Robert Koch Institute which record how political and military leadership guided the scientific pronouncements from the RKI and not the other way round as it should have been .
This sample of Lanka’s 2020 writing also gives a good idea of his position at the time of the start of the fake pandemic.
Sometime after this Lanka disappeared from public view. Maybe he took a deserved break since, by putting himself at the forefront of the ‘no virus’ movement, he certainly would have been a target for the usual kind of persecution and abuse from both government and social media trolls.
So it was very refreshing for me when a friend here in Germany sent me a link for an interview with Lanka posted 26th Aug 2025 on the Telegram channel of Politik Spezial. I would otherwise have missed it. There is a facility in the YouTube link to play an auto-dubbed version in English but the standard of translation using AI leaves quite a lot to be desired and misses out or confuses the message so I decided to do my own ‘interpretation’ of what Lanka said. I prefer the word interpretation versus translation for reasons which I’ll explain further down for anyone who is interested.
Lanka’s Interview
Click on the image below to play our improved English dubbed version of the video where the voices have been generated by AI but what they say is better interpreted. Below there is a topics list with time markers to aid navigation. Further down is the full English transcript.
After the transcript you can find my own conclusions (which I’ve kept brief because everyone can make their own after doing a bit of research).
I’ve also added an explanation of the actual creation of the transcript and the dubbing which majorly requires human cognition tools — i.e. a brain, but in this case two brains. This work can be sped up a little these days by using AI tools and these have been naturally applied to save time. This is a bit technical and might not interest many people so it can be skipped if you only want to focus on what Lanka said. But use of AI is now a topic so I decided to say something about it here.
Finally, I added some of my research notes where I found it necessary to do some searching to get a better understanding of the history which Lanka refers to. Some people may find this interesting to refer to if the interview stimulates a desire for further research into the many topics which, necessarily in one hour, can only be touched upon.
Questions & Topics Overview with time markers
02:00 The concept of disease, what is it? 02:50 A coup in science, the toxic idea of metastasis 04:47 The theory of humours
06:22 The role of politicians, The idea of symptoms resulting from a mental injury
07:44 Research into viruses: measles, HIV, herpes - symptoms from a separation conflict 08:37 The dogma of no spirit
09:50 The example of herpes
13:07 Do genes contribute to disease? What about cell theory and embryology? 14:30 The beginnings of life, embryology
15:34 An historical view from 1858 Germany - cells are 'atoms of life' and contain the hereditary substance
16:10 The genome is constantly changing!
17:00 The concept of 'self organisation' to replace genetics which does not work. Historical refutation of the alpha helix model of nucleic acid
18:56 Lanka's discovery of a 'harmless virus' in seawater - what was that? What are we made of?
20:48 How we were cut off from the spiritual world. Prof Virchow and the 1848 German revolution, role of the Freemasons, the compulsive logic of disease from pathogens & cell theory
23:13 But isn't cell growth evidenced during egg fertilisation? The alternative explanation of embryology
25:12 Going beyond others e.g. Prof Bhakdi, to the core questions of disease causation
25:57 Body-soul biology - e.g. Dr. Peter Levine’s trauma therapy for epilepsy
26:37 The role of symptoms
27:20 Dr Hamer and the great healers of European medicine, the idea of illness as a 2-phase process
28:00 Epilepsy in dogs = rabies
28:15 The weaponisation of spiritual terror as a pseudo-scientific state doctrine, historical role of the military & use of ruling with fear as a dominance system
30:40 Infant vaccination as an instrument of terror causing lifelong loss of trust in one's own body & dependence on the state, how people are dominated
32:20 My greatest achievement & greatest mistakes 33:00 Infection experiments have never worked
33:16 Measles explained as a separation conflict
34:52 The flu as a perfect instrument of mass deception
36:18 Further measles explanation - Why do mothers want measles parties if there's no contagion?
38:03 The real biology: Germanic New Medicine (Hamer) or as Lanka prefers: Body-soul medicine, why criminal law needs to be re-written
39:54 Pre-requisites for peace 'Silence if Golden, Wisdom brings Peace' - we are in a global Stockholm Syndrome. How does humanity get out of this?
40:47 Finding resonance in the morphogenetic field, Indonesian monkeys example 41:46 Origins of the field
42:13 Gene therapy - nucleic acid is not a genetic substance
43:27 The work of geneticist Erwin Chargaff
43:51 They cannot do anything at the nucleus
44:05 Each body part as a materialised unit of consciousness
44:59 What was behind Corona and the 'gene therapy' injections?
46:28 How were people injures or killed by the Covid injections? - It's not what you might think
48:53 Don't try to tell people who do not want to know "Silence is Golden"
50:46 What did Jesus mean exactly when he said 'if you have salt, you have peace among you'?
52:41 Final words: Plague medicines - an historical perspective from Faust
Full English Transcript
The virus question: Fraud in medical science? | Dr Stefan Lanka on Politik Spezial
published on YouTube Aug 24th, 2025
Original German language version
Transcript of English interpretation
PS: Dear viewers, Dear ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to a new interview here on Politik Spezial. I’m reporting today from Lake Constance and my guest is someone I’ve wanted to interview for a long time. Again and again, when I interview other scientists, there are always comments under the articles and under the videos like ‘Yes, Mr Reinhardt, but there are no viruses.’
So I am with someone today, a biologist, who specialized in marine biology, who says viruses don’t exist. I’m looking forward to a conversation with Dr Stefan Lanka. I am glad and thank you very much Dr Lanka that we can film you here today. A warm welcome to Politik Spezial.
SL: Wonderful, very sincere thanks and thanks also to Professor Otte [Prof Max Otte is owner of the YouTube channel, Politik Spezial], who I greatly appreciate.
PS: Thank you, I’ve been following you for a long time.
SL: I have always felt that, in my back [laughing]!
PS: Yes, I’ve been following you for a long time and as for your theory, I’m not a scientist and I’m just asking questions and on this channel my approach is to let critical voices be heard because I believe that’s what science is all about. That’s how it used to be. Someone made a scientific thesis, left it space and then it was the task of other scientists to refute or verify this claim. And I think that since 2020 and the Covid period this approach was largely lost. So one talks about ‘the science’ and you must follow ‘the science’ and everything the Health minister says may never be be questioned. The veterinarian, was his name again? Weiler, was it?
SL: Mr Wieler … [Lothar] Wieler[a veterinarian who was head of the RKI (Germany’s CDC equivalent)]
PS: Exactly. His statement will never be forgotten,
‘You must not question anything, you just have to do it.’
And you are now a representative of science who says, viruses are not the things we are told they are. Yes, and that’s what I want to start with. How’s that?
[01:53] So, I had a conversation with Professor Bhakdi —it will be published but it’s not yet online — and Bhakdi says, yes, some viruses have actually not been verified, not proven, for example, hepatitis C and the AIDS virus. So what’s wrong with that statement?
SL: Well, the very first task in science and the job of every scientist is to try to refute his own thesis. It’s a duty of government scientists and this is in their employment contract.
And only if it’s not refutable may I then say that I have a scientific fact here. But that’s not been happening in science, not only since Corona, but it’s not been happening since 1858, because at that time science was simply destroyed via a dogma that was put into the world [02:50] through the back door. It was a coup in science by the state because with that fear which was cemented or put there, the justification was established to, so-to -speak, no longer trust one’s own body. This whole foundation of Western high school medicine, that we are made up of cells and the cells make disease poisons was never correct. And when you look into cell theory itself which says that some disease poison is being produced by a virus, then one realises there is no scientific evidence, there is only contradiction. And this is so hard and I have to warn you right away, you can only tell someone who really wants to hear it.
[03:43] When I tell someone who believes in vaccines or metastasis that a family member or friend who had cancer died of the idea of metastasis it is too hard for them to accept this, and it hardens them. They don’t start on their own to question anything, and they defend the state doctrine which delivers and enforces the treatment.
PS: Is it really the government or is it not the pharmaceutical lobby who does that?
SL: No, no.
PS: So who’s in charge? Does the government control the pharma lobby or does the pharma lobby control the state? I think rather, it’s the case that the pharm lobby determines what’s going on.
SL: No, pharma has arisen from this concept. Something else happened. So first there was the concept and that was then fulfilled with the idea that the body makes a disease out of poisonous pathogens which must be verified.
[04:47] Then you make an antidote and that was ultimately the Theory of Humors, that a disease poison arises and you become healthy when the body makes the antidote, the poison for the disease, the ‘body’ and the ‘anti-body’. And Socrates criticized this and shortly afterwards in Greece, too, the teaching of the humoral theory of was over. He was executed for this, because he publicised the real medicine, the body-soul biology, he made it public. So he was critical. There are two medical systems, one that we know suppresses symptoms with medications so that the unfree can work faster.
The original explanation can be read in Plato.
PS: Okay, I want to be able to follow this now. So we suppress the symptoms, but do not cure the disease, so that the unfree can work. The unfree work faster again. What do you mean by that?
SL: The salves who are the unfree get back to work faster. Today they are the employees.
PS: Ah, okay, now I understand it. So it's basically like when politicians, these ministers, take their oath of office they say, we have to put the interests of the German people first.
[06:22] SL: So I’ve come to the conclusion that politicians have no say at all. They read out whatever is given to them. They are simply talking heads who have no competence of their own and certainly no knowledge. At least in this area. So that’s politicians.
I became very sure after studying Charles Wright Mills, who wrote the book, ‘The Power Elite’ in 1956, there are very few families, about 3,000 people in the West, who have control over the monetary system — that’s very clear, they exercise power over people. And then ultimately, it is our monetary system which creates shortages. And lack of something creates aggression.
And finally, these symptoms appear. I don’t like the word disease. Because disease is a defect, like being deformed. Symptoms, which I consider to be neutral from a biology perspective, are always a reaction to a mental injury. According to Socrates, every injury to the soul is manifested in the body.
[07:44] And I was in a position to investigate this in 2000 after I had been in a vacuum for over 10 years. I didn’t know what these symptoms were which I should attribute to a virus I was pretty sure did not exist. I discovered a structure myself seen in an organism in sea water and isolated from it. Then it was biochemically decomposed and always yielded the same amount of protein, always the same nucleic acid.
And so it started with the so-called viruses, I have research HIV and AIDS, measles, Hepatitis and so on. There’s nothing there. But the model forces those involved to think that something MUST be therebecause, since 1958 … 1858, excuse me, one may only think about symptoms in a material way. [08:37] It is dogma that there is no spirit, there is no consciousness which has an impact on my body.
As Socrates said, with medicine for free people, we heal with the spirit and with the word.
It is this medicine that Dr Hamer was rediscovered in 1981 with a technique that can look into the brain, computer tomography. And then he discovered that actually, if I find a symptom here, on the knee or intestine or liver, then there are always very specific signals in the brain — the advertisements. Aha! Now one has something. I can estimate how long has a person lived under this sustained shock or is already in recovery, has been healed. I can look back a few years and say, the symptom is now five years old, 10 years or so, it has become chronic, because this person cannot get over the mountain, Not mentally or physically.
[09:47] PS: With viruses … I still need to understand this. And indeed, once in my life I had something quite hard — it was herpes. I was quite young, I mean 14 or 15. I’m not saying now what was freaking me out, but I felt terrible and then had herpes in my mouth. And as you say yes, the herpes virus, every person has that in them. And then there there appears an outbreak, for example if you hate something. What on earth is going on here?
What is herpes and what is flu and why do I get this disease just like that? From the Spirit?
SL: Err, herpes is quite simple. If I have a separation conflict involving the lip, so I’m not being kissed anymore on the lip, or I don’t have this closeness to a parent anymore or someone I know or to a first girlfriend, or if I WANT to be separated, because I just don’t want to have the kiss or the touch with anything.
If it happens on the skin, it becomes thin due to this impression. The skin then rebuilds and, depending on where this happens it is called Measles, Chickenpox, Rubella. On the mucous membranes, above and lower down, I call it herpes, because there the inflammatory response is larger and more visible. This is herpes. The flu, on the other hand, is once again a collection of symptoms.
PS: But wait a minute, with herpes, I mean it’s not bad. I’ll just explain what happened. It was that an old woman drank from my glass. I didn’t see that and then drank from that glass. And that was awful to me as a 14-year-old. And then I got these blisters on my upper lip.
SL: Yes, But not immediately after drinking. But it must have taken a few days.
PS: No, not a few days. It was pretty quick to appear afterwards. Now that must be due to some cause? Does it have only the spiritual reason that this occurred ? Or is there some substance which then somehow combines with the spirit and cause these blisters?
SL: No, no. There is no substance involved. So I can generate images, which if people even look at during the healing phase they become disgusted and get the symptoms again.
95 percent of our symptoms are already in the second phase when this persistent existential situation is over. We call this two-phase. I don’t feel the first phase. I have cold hands, cold feet, a compulsive thought. It drives me. And only when it’s over, when I know it’s over now. So I actually solved it with a better job or a new partner or whatever I know it was.
Then I would be pleasantly tired, warm and having a fever. These are always signs of healing. It is two-phase, Yes, doctors knew this before. But since 1858 all this knowledge that was there has been suppressed. Eighty percent of free doctors have been driven into illegality by the law and because of this concept that everything may only be explained mechanistically.
Mechanics yes. We are pure mechanical beings! They refused, because they knew that spiritual events are not just an accident. So naturally, it can work that they trigger these processes.
[13:07] PS: We just saw in America a huge scandal due to the advertising of a jeans brand, American Eagle. And it about the fact that the model was advertised as having ‘great jeans’ and jeans is the term for pants, but sounds the same in English as the word gene. To what extent do a person’s genes contribute to disease?
SL: So, if I suppose, we are composed of atoms which form into cells, this concept is also wrong. It’s been clearly refuted seven times, yes. Then I had to….
PS: Who refuted it?
SL: Well, Hillman was the most famous. He showed it in the electron microscope through geometric considerations, that it is the cell membrane. When I cut a cell through the middle, the cell membrane would have to appear so thick and further up towards the pole, a bit thicker, and then very thick on the actual pole.
But it always has the same thickness. He has shown, that there are never receptors on the cells. They’ve not been seen in any electron microscope image. There’s no ion pump, that is needed for our energy model to indicate something is going on, that the cell has energy. One sees in a light microscopic that the nuclei rotate, yes. So, in our model, they hang stably in a cytoskeleton inside and so on.
[14:30] It has long been known that life always evolves from the outside to the inside, as a sphere with 64 nuceli, of which it is said, ah, these are cells which are always evolving from the outside to the inside. This is called embryology. The tissue layers, we call them the germ leaves, from which all organs are formed and not by making one two, Mom, Dad, then four, eight and so on, are said to develop from the inside out. But that’s not been seen yet.
PS: But don’t we have a fertilized egg?
SL: No, We have tissue — we have tissue tissue cut from a woman that was surrounded by thousands of sperm, which then later in its mass, in its tissue mass, forms the placenta. The placenta is male. So it’s not something which somehow then emerges from the cell division and so on but it’s tissue — it was tissue and is tissue.
[15:34] But in 1858 the idea was introduced that we are made up of atoms and the cells are atoms of life and they would just always divide and divide and divide, growing larger, and in each cell there is the hereditary substance guiding how everything develops afterwards. But this genetic substance is not stable, it changes in each nucleus, and so quickly that it cannot be a genetic substance.
[16:10] PS: So you think the genome is constantly changing?
SL: Exactly. No, we need — this is a compulsive logic which is set, so that when I start from cells, I need a genetic substance, a building material, as man is made. Here, make a heap of cells, make a right hand and not a second right hand. It must be a left hand. This does it all.
We have a compulsive logic. There must be such a hereditary substance. If consciousness does not shape us or if spirit does not shape us, if a word cannot kill, if one word cannot heal, then I need pure mechanics. This is like I need a building plan for a house, the functional plan with heating, the air conditioning things and so on, wastewater.
[17:00] And it’s not. We have, I used to say, self-organization. And that’s it, it is what Socrates knew that we are simply a soul that has become matter. And in that soul, as I perceive it, a nose has to do with smell, ears with hering, bones with movement. Then there is the spiritual information which materializes here. I mean, that the ear has already fully implanted during pregnancy, this is the shape of an embryo, so that reflects everything here. We have stages of development. They disappear again, We need them for a long time, They show up and so on. And I can’t explain that with any genetic blueprint, that I am healing again. Yes, something needs to be removed and then the skin or bones are repaired. Yes, so this model would just be just comical if it wasn’t so sad.
PS: But you’re alone saying this.
SL: No, no, no, no. So I got this from Professor Fritz Pohl in Constance. This was not my professor, but he was the great nucleic acid specialist. I knew all about it. Yes, in Austria he took the assertion that nucleic acid is an alpha helix and scientifically refuted it experimentally. And when he came to Constance (where I studied) to get a small professorship, that’s where I met him. He built Europe’s largest sequencing company, the GATC in Constance. And he also brought me to AIDS. I thought, I just found a harmless virus discovered in my algae, because it was there. There was something in the sea, I could isolate it. Photography, biochemical, all identical, control experiments at every level.
[18:56] PS: That means, you have contradicted yourself? You say, There are no viruses, but say now, that you discovered a virus!
SL: So I thought, that it was a harmless virus, until I realized, that this is virus attribution and that I can’t say that. What I discovered 20 years ago was a mini spore. In science, others began following this research I did and discovered there are more of these particles in the ocean. If you calculate the biomass, the sea is like all the trees, fish, algae, people, all put together. It is a giant biomass and it’s alive. It has a metabolism which is becoming more complex, increasingly complex. And I was just not allowed to write in my publication, that I had discovered a mini-spore here. I had to write it was a virus. In my doctoral thesis, in the publications. A harmless virus.
[19:49] PS: Dr Lanka, You mentioned briefly, if one assumes we are made of atoms — That’s is how you expressed it — but yes, What are we made of? It is undoubtedly the case that we and everything, the table here, the glass and so on, consists of atom, or?
SL: Well, who says that? A few people who are blabbering away say that but they never checked anything. I mean, just look at Wikipedia, this is relatively unremarkable and I see here that it is only speculation with strong forces and weak forces. And they can’t even explain gravity? It’s impossible. I cannot say with atomic theory what keeps us on the ground, so what am I going do with it? And then I have to look who instigated this in order that we believe it. We have been cut off from the spiritual world.
[20:48] PS: So who staged it?
SL: The Freemasons.
PS: Weren’t they the Jesuits?
SL: I just know who pushed Virchow, who was on the right side of the revolution until 1848. He was heavily in debt and really wanted to be a pastor but his father forbade it. And then the uncle on the maternal side takes him into the trap of the Freemasons, because he was the head of German Freemasonry.
PS: And what is the reason, Why did the Freemasons force this in your opinion?
SL: They needed a new theory to rule. So I’m not saying the Freemasons. I think they are the ground troops of capital or money capital. They call it money. And they wiped out the nobility and the churches, starting with the French Revolution, Nice to read in books, Danton is dead and so on. What bothers me a little is, when you say, the Freemasons. There are so many different groups in Freemasonry. French Freemasonry is very different from German Freemasonry.
PS: What disturbs me a bit is that you can’t really talk about the Freemasons because there are so many different groups. There are different branches e.g. the French Freemasons are quite different from the German ones. It’s just the same as with different religions …
SL: But if I’m a secret organization that doesn’t reveal its cards, then I must accept these kinds of blanket insinuations. The fact is, Mr Heese [?] took Virchow under his belt. Everyone who was on the barricade in 1848 including Virchov was interned. Doctors received a professional prohibition forever. However, Virchow was appointed to full professorship at Würzburg. And there he was confronted with the only little book that has survived from the early Christians and he built his new theory of life. It was clear that we are made of tissue, and the tissue fluid is not water. It is living and they knew that and the first thing which he had to do was to massively suppress his fellow student Robert Remack. We owe it to embryology which has survived to this day to understand that we come out of tissue. Virchow suppressed that, to push the idiotic cell theory as a scientific fact.
[23:13] PS: But can’t you see it under the microscope when a single egg cell is fertilized?
How it is divided, as if two becomes four. Can’t you do that? I mean, I remember my biology class. I even took a biology performance course. And that’s how it was explained at the time.
SL: Yes, but these are artifacts in the optical microscope. I mean, I can’t look into the organism. I can only look at different stages of development. And then I always say, they are always spheres, one calls this a blastula. It’s not a bunch of cells which becomes larger but the nuclei are outside, 64 of them. Only then does invagination occur. And the first germ leaves, the outer and the inner come out, and then the other two germ leaves are formed. And there was a coup against this. Virchow appeared ten years later with the exact opposite of what he had published before. The cell is now the unity of life and all diseases come through disease poisons. And that was wrong at the time. There was also a huge screaming out against this. Only free doctors, 80 percent of which until then had not been regulated by law, they were out of it, and military medicine, the 20 percent, he could only study with them, because he was totally poor and in debt. He studied this until 1848 and wanted really scientific, human things, which he rightly praised. But then ten years later he was completely turned upside down and says, we are made up of cells, not from tissue. Only the cell lives, and all life comes from cell division, and all diseases also via pathogens. And pathogens = disease poisons, and virus is Latin for poison. And this is compulsive logic.
[25:12] And it hurts me so much when professor Bhakdi who I so much appreciate for his courage, his public letter to Merkel, his call on the Internet, this is absolutely authentic. He gave me strength and I have respect for him and for Dr Schiffmann and all these people. But they stay in that position. And because he can’t now explain rabies — that suddenly an animal gets epilepsy, yes — that’s always happening if I have a motor problem, yes. Then this act, which influenced me becomes visible. In children to defend against an abuser, with a soldier, where does the shot come from which hit his colleagues? In Switzerland [25:57] there is doctor Peter Levine, who offers Somatic Experiencing. They have the greatest success with trauma therapies, because they come to exactly this protective approach for treating epilepsy. Somatic Experiencing is experiencing the body, but regulated by an intelligent man in an unthreatening situation then I solve it and it’s over. And the epilepsy never comes back and they are out of the trauma. This is how body-soul biology works.
PS: Body-soul biology means the following: that my spirit and my state, my inner state, causes the disease. Or?
[26:37] SL: The symptoms can say something — they are not something negative like a defect like a deformity.
PS: So symptoms are triggered and the soul plays the greatest role when I get sick?
SL: Until I become symptomatic. It’s just such a big rethink, I need some humility. But what’s important in healing is — and you can get this from the Bible — don’t look back, Mrs Lot. Don’t bring back the shit that you have seen, where you were dethroned, otherwise, you’ll be turned into a salt column. So I have to give it up mentally too. And Dr Hamer found out what all doctors knew before from the great healers, Gasenauer, Franz Anton Mesmer, who was the great shooting star in France until the French Revolution. In Meersburg there was Markdorf. So they knew that illness was a two-phase process and if people were always hanging out on the symptoms, they called it the crisis. To resolve the crisis, they always did that together, sitting beside a water trough on wet rope. And there we are, on the form of energy we come from. And then one of them starts talking, and boom, gets his epilepsy, the other one gets his and that starts screaming, crying or whatever. Then the thing is gone. They were all safe among themselves, they were healed and it didn’t come back.
[28:00] And this naturally applies to dogs. So when Bhakdi says, in Thailand — I mean, they are eaten there — they are beaten and experienced violence. And when they are healed they have “epilepsy”, alias rabies.
[28:15] And back again to where the concept comes from. I mean, Virchow, who established it out of thin air, for a new form of government or a new legitimacy, using a new form of pressure. Namely, not just spiritual, the most violent form which the churches used. Jesus died for our sins, but the original sin and the purgatory that the Pope decides, and knocks on the door every 25 years to delight a few souls with the sweeping fire. This is terror, spiritual terror. And this spiritual terror was maintained. You cannot trust your body. Here comes the poison of disease, initiated by an evil other, who does not wear the mask and is not vaccinated and so on. Or the metastasis screws from the back into the brain and so on. Yes, that’s how it works. The same fear, of being unable to trust ones own body. This would become a pseudoscientific state doctrine from 1858 onwards.And from that, and not just since Corona, medicine was always dictated, controlled and led by the military. Once I have an emergency, see you at the Federal Press Conference with some scary-looking generals. And it works. Just look at the internet, EES, Epidemiological Intelligence Service, that’s the CIA of medicine and it’s at the Pentagon, like the American disease burden.
PS: What exactly is behind it?
[29:49] SL: Fear, fear fear in order to rule.
PS: Okay, Fear, fear, fear is created, we know that. Fear is constantly generated. But fear of death. Whether it’s in front of the microbe or in front of the Russians or something. Can you say, that it is basically done to maintain domination and on the other hand to be able to rule?— You need a lot of money for that.
SL: They have the money through uncovered paper money or fiat money. Goethe warned of this and so on. But they rule with fear. And this is it, what Schiller said. The upper ones cease to rule, when the bottom layer stops crawling. Why does the lower layer crawl? Because [30:31] they don’t trust their bodies. And it starts with the act of vaccination of babies who are exposed and a strange person chases them with a long needle and sticks it in their muscle which after three days burns like hell. Or maybe it is stuck in the buttock which then causes a sexual conflict. If mothers are lucky, their children are not aggressive towards them. This happens very often. The mother is the protector of the baby, of the child. And the child has to undress, and the children, who accept this, for them it is normal that they can’t trust their own body and of course not the mother’s either. Or vice versa, first not the mother and then not their own body. And so it keeps going.
I felt very safe as a child here, there where so many kind people from Transylvania in the neighbourhood — an elderly gentleman, who told me stories and then a Czech in Friedrichshafen. And then they get their cancer diagnoses, then their chemotherapy, and first the teeth fall out or the hair or vice versa. And I knew, that this is wrong, that this can’t [31:44] be, it can’t be. And this is how people are dominated. But what can we do about it? And that’s the most important thing. Previously, so I said, my greatest achievement was — not knowing for ten years — until I hit the nail on the head about where the symptoms come from which are attributed to a virus. And that was my greatest achievement, not doing any shit, excuse the expression, just to give some reason; a little hygiene, a little immune system, moon is bad or something, electromog or something. But I don’t know. Full Stop!
[32:20] And my biggest mistake was — I noticed that harshly with Corona — to tell people what I know, my heartfelt things, to those who do not want to know them. I pre-harden them. I meet them because they believe that vaccination is the baptism into the world’s largest good-evil sect by which they are ruled. Of course, there is emergency medicine, surgery, which is always needed, that is logical. But all these chronic diseases, infections and so on, This is pure terror. nothing else. The people involved don’t know that, but they’re not scientists, because they never checked the foundations. Then they would see it. Infection [33:00] attempts in humans have never worked. And with animals they are so perverse, that when I tell them what is done there … [interrupted]
[33:16] PS: I remember my time. I had measles, I had everything. I had measles, I had mumps. I had Rubella. And with measles it was the case that, yes, my mother, did not have a measles party but, when I got measles, she immediately put my little brother with me so that he got infected. And now you say this infection does not work.
SL: It has never worked.
PS: Yes, but my brother also had measles!
SL: Yes, but then it could have been the same separation conflict, that you and your brother had. You could have have felt the same or one after another, separated from your parents, through kindergarten, school or by another sibling, by a pet. This is a separation conflict. The skin has become thin and when it’s over, healed, the picture is fine again. Mom is there or I come back regularly. Then the skin rebuilds. So things are always two-phase.
SL: Does that explain it? Explain why is it usually only on one side?
PS: I have heard about an Antarctic expedition. They were alone in the wild for weeks and then all got the flu. So, then I asked myself, when I read this story — I hope it is true, I can’t check it — I asked myself; How can four people isolated from the outside world for weeks suddenly get ill? Are they suddenly in contact with a virus? Where’s it coming from?
SL: This is one of these very good examples which I must seek out, and if I can’t explain it, this model is not given.
PS: But on the other hand, to return to my younger brother.
[34:52] SL: Let’s stay with the flu. With the flu we already have one of the greatest instruments of deception. There are always dozens of symptoms. It’s called the flu. If I have one of these and a flu test is positive or if there is a cluster in the area, it must also be the flu. And that is the greatest deception. The flu actually comes from the ribs. And there’s the bone. When my self-esteem is gone, the bone breaks down and I don’t notice it. When it builds up, then it hurts totally. Okay? So, I also have, of course, when I have mucus, from the mucous membranes where I smell it, and then I determined, actually, I should have known it that during a weather shock the mucous membranes decompose. It can go so far, that the mucous membranes are bare, where every breath is already putting corrosive pressure on the tissue underneath. And in the healing it swells, then the nose may be closed, the foreheads and so on and so on. This is already a healing process. So a typical example.
[36:18] PS: That just explains it to me. There’s something but I’m not saying it now, it’s too personal. Okay, because I just had a pretty bad cold. Okay, yes, this flu, I wanted to get back to my brother. You say with this measles it always results from a separation conflict or something?
SL: No, from the skin.
PS: But it’s still interesting, If you have two children anf one has measles, you add another one and that child gets measles. Something has to happen. Then to say, yes, They both have the same conflicts.
SL: This example is a bit tricky but other examples, where the mothers, when they hear that a child is sick, they want the parties. Why do so many mothers want the measles parties? Because it has become known or observed, that when children stand still in their emotional development and when they solve that, a high fever often occurs, so these symptoms and not necessarily something on the skin, and then the development block is cleared.
But there’s never been a measles party through which a child from outside of the family got the measles within the following three, four or five weeks – the reason being that I need an ongoing shock activity of three, four weeks during which the skin degrades to an extent that makes the repair process visible to the eye. One needs to know that. These are the rules of the game.
PS: That’s a quite different way of thinking about it.
[38:03] SL: It’s a different way of thinking, yes. But that’s the old way of thinking — the two-phase nature of symptoms. And that has just been suppressed. And I say that we need this for two reasons: when we lose our fear, we are free AND only then, when I trust my body I am free.
If I am not free, I am dependent on the state for cancer prevention, for this and that and the other. If I know the real biology, as I call it, or as Hammer later called it, the Germanic New Medicine. I call it real biology or body-soul biology —the term is neutral. And when I understand what Hammer found out in detail through computer tomography about mental conflicts, not yet presenting on the body or only weakly, it can radically change my entire behavior. And then things come out that normally would never happen, even healing crises where the whole thing comes up again, where I want to let go of this image, yes, that feeling. It’s so intense that you suddenly become aggressive, or want to commit suicide in that moment. And when I’m depressed, this thing turns inward against me, yes. If I know that, I also understand that criminal law needs to be rewritten.
PS: Why?
SL: Because many crimes were not intentionally planned. They arose spontaneously, where a person who is in a frame of madness so-to-speak, suddenly sees these images again. But when I know that, when I know how it works, I no longer judge anyone else. And that is a [39:54] prerequisite for peace, and I am for peace. And that’s why my lectures, advertised at the Circle Guru or the other tours which I have, are named ‘Silence is golden, wisdom [in the sense of perceptive insightfulness] brings peace’.
I cannot have peace when 80 percent of believe in this thing, it won’t work. When they harden, they are against ME. And, the one who is terrorised always defends th terrorist. We [40:27] are in a global Stockholm syndrome. How do I get out of there? By radiating peace myself, and it works nonverbally.
If someone honestly seeks and finds this and is in great need themselves, then it resonates. [40:47] We used to call this the morphogenetic field, but of course, I naturally don’t like the word ‘genetic’, so yes, of course, the information fields, then it resonates and suddenly everyone knows.
Many discoveries in human history were made like this and spread everywhere without people knowing each other and suddenly everybody knew.
PS: You mean via the morphogenetic field?
SL: Exactly, the morphogenetic field. And that’s how we get peace.
PS: And where does science stand here? I hear it so often and there are enough examples of this. There’s an example of monkeys. In Indonesia on the islands a population of monkeys began washing potatoes with salt water in the sea, because potatoes with salt taste better. And then suddenly all around the islands, without any contact, monkeys began to wash these potatoes in salt water!
SL: I mean, it is the same with knowledge. Honestly, the findings, which I was able to collect, convinced me again that they probably live within people. Perhaps they even they come from a larger field. But I’m pretty sure from everything that I have gathered together, from history, what has happened, when I see new insights, I think, that is from these fields of living people, or perhaps already from beings which are no longer material, but were once there.
[42:13] PS: Okay, let’s now come to the end with gene therapy. It is often claimed, that gene therapy was there to suppress the function of the spinal gland and disconnect us from higher consciousness.
SL: No, no.
PS: So what’s your opinion?
SL: I mean, nucleic acid is not a genetic substance. Nucleic acid is the metabolic resonator and stabilizer, on which the rough template for enzymes which I need are stored.
So when I haven’t drunk alcohol for half a year, these disappear from my nuclei, yes, fifty rough templates, to neutralize alcohol and aldehydes in my metabolism. And then I need to train again for half a year to survive the Oktoberfest, okay? So this happens via RNA, which, from our point of view, comes out of nothing. In all conceivable variations possible and there, where it can grab a substrate somewhere and react, then it remains in metabolism for longer and can then be stored in DNA form. But that is self-regulation which I cannot interfere with.
[43:27] And my greatest luck was, that I had to read Erwin Chargaff in high school before I went to ‘elite’ college. My teacher insisted on Erwin Chargaff and we later became friends. I learned a lot from him, he is a great biochemist. In 1978 he wrote the book ‘Heraclitean Fire’, which says that [43:51] they can never do anything at the nucleus because the complexity, there is far too great.
And I have seen this and Hamer has proven that everyone can prove it for themselves. Every [44:05] part of the body is a materialized unit of consciousness. Because this finger here has a completely different self-worth compared to my shoulder or my pelvis. But if that self-worth is vitally hit, not wounded but unexpectedly existentially hit, leaving me alone with it — in this situation the shoulders then slump … I don’t notice this happening. I noticed the building up because it hurts like hell.
And then people say, when they sit together in a ski chalet in Austria, drinking themselves senseless: ‘Now we have the flu.’ They all start having bone pain because they are out of their field. This is why the doctor density is the highest in vacation resorts, when people leave their everyday life [their routine, sorrows, daily business] behind.
[44:59] PS: Let’s go back to the C[ovid] time. What do you think? Why was it done – just to make money? Just to create fear? What was in that gene therapy?
SL: No, no, no. There’s nothing in there. The syringe has nanoparticles. Every vaccine needs a poison to cause inflammation. And this inflammation releases proteins in spherical form — we call them globulins — to build new tissue here. So after each injection of poison, no matter what, the globulin constellation goes up and then they say, ‘Oh, These are the antibodies, this is protection’. The package insert says that the immune system never protects against disease. So this ‘immune protection’, that’s why they vaccinate. These are the antibodies. For some time now these injections contain nanoparticles. They are even more powerful, yes, in their destruction of tissue. And then they tell you, these are the transport particles for the mRNA. But mRNA is so sensitive, that it is immediately destroyed by the nanoparticles in the syringe itself, immediately. That is why they said at the beginning we would have to store it at minus 80 degrees because if it is stored at room temperature, it’s gone. It’s gone in milliseconds. Even if one could actually inject amounts of mRNA into the muscles, it would be gone in milliseconds. It can’t do anything.
[46:28] PS: So was it a placebo? There are enough who became seriously ill and died.
SL: So whoever doesn’t die from the nanoparticles within three weeks, because they just flow through the veins forming thromboses and so on, it was not the vaccine which caused symptoms to appear. This is very important.
What then happens are the symptoms after many months of existential fear. Overload breaks down the heart muscle. Someone who’s been vaccinated four times thinks, now I can get out again, play football, musicians, giving interviews, earn money again. Overload rebuilds the heart muscle. That is heart muscle inflammation. It has nothing to do with what is in the vaccine.
[47:20] Nothing could ever end up in the heart. If I inject something here, it goes into the veins, in the lymph and it all ends up in the liver. Nothing goes out of the liver into the body. Oh, no, no. That’s excluded. It goes into the bile and is gone. There is fear there which cannot be justified.
And this is where, very, very unfortunately, the vaccine critics unwittingly make this fear even greater. They think about these models with viruses and genetic engineering which have never been checked and think this is all in order.
And this unfounded belief doesn’t stop working — mRNA, that’s why spike proteins are produced everywhere! So this is like BSE, where the ‘virus’ was a protein …
PS: That was mad cow disease?
SL: Yes, exactly, and then the fear never stops. It was like that with AIDS and with every ‘pandemic’ which appears. Some critics who realised see part-way through it but not completely.
PS: And what’s the consequence?
SL: A criticism which does not hit the core stabilizes the construct, unfortunately.
It breaks my heart that such people who took so much risk to appear in public that they can’t continue. But it’s like, they went so far there and I just keep going.
[48:53] And I think, I have hit the point and made the point where possible. Silence is golden. Don’t tell people who do not want to hear, who believe in these concepts. I will find Jesus. Günter Schwarz, a 60 year old theologian, noticed the contradiction and resolved it by translating actual quotes from Jesus, because he found out that Aramaic cannot be translated into Greek. So he translated the Greek into Aramaic and saw where it was awkward and found the rhyme.
PS: I don’t understand that either. Why can’t you translate Aramaic into Greek?
SL: The wise words are missing. Okay. Yes, they are simply missing.
PS: So there are words in Aramaic which are not found in Greek.
SL: And German is so brilliant. The English have three times as much vocabulary as we do but we can combine words and constantly bring new ones into use. So that explains the superiority of German technicians, engineers or anything, because they can express themselves more precisely than all the others. This lies in the structure of the language.
PS: That too now, you just said the English have three times as much vocabulary as we do. I think English is much easier to use than our language. We have so many different expressions for so many things, they always have a slightly different nuance.
SL: Yes, we decouple a little more and the Russians do this much more. That makes it more sympathetic, I can communicate more humanely. I mean, I love Brazil, for example. European Portuguese sounds so hard tome but Brazilian Portuguese is so soft. There are so many African words in it. I find it such a beautiful soft language.
[50:46] But back to my Jesus, our Jesus. Translated back into Aramaic is a quote from Mark 9, This is something no theologian has ever understood. ‘If you have salt, you have peace among you.’ No one can understand this. In Aramaic it means, if you have wisdom [in the sense of insight and perceptiveness] in your being, you have peace among you.
What does that mean? Who can I talk to anyway? And to whom do I say what when I talk? I think that’s so funny. And I’m talking about peace. And I think, I finished my analysis. After 40 years of searching and making, I have found the essence: Peace comes only through myself — naturally through everyone else too — but not from your neighbour. And it comes, by radiating it, but not via talk, and above all, not to anyone who believes in a concept. That’s why wisdom, so this silence, is golden and sounds like a piece of gold.
[51:59] PS: Wisdom brings peace, Dr Lanka. These are nice closing words. And that is what we all wish for. Thank you. The conversation was incredibly interesting and intense, many thanks for that. And if something happens again like a small global pandemic, of course we could talk again.
SL: Oh, thank you, that’s wonderful. I hope of course, that the intelligent viewers already care about other things and not just when there is a pandemic, because when the flu comes back now in this situation then we can run because they have stocks of Tamiflu [an antiviral medication used to treat and prevent influenza A and influenza B], to cover 30 percent of the [52:41] population. These are the Latwerges – the poisonous plague medicines which Goethe speaks of in Faust I, where he describes how the doctor kills thousands and the survivors applaud him, because he gave life to the survivors, because he saved them from the plague. [the Latwerges from Goethe were ‘medicinals’ containing mercury given to those ‘infected’ during the bubonic plague who were naturally poisoned to death. The modern version contains LNPs]
And we have Tamiflu for 30 percent. So read what the pandemic plans have in them. This is serious. So there you can make a fresh start lightning fast. I don’t need an atomic bomb.
PS: Thank you, Dr Lanka.
SL: Yes, I thank you.
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Interpretation from the original German by H R Steen & J Schumacher – Aug 31 2025
Conclusions
I rather think it is up to the reader to take away from all of this what they will so I do not want to say much here. These are just a few top-of-the-head thoughts:
Lanka probably took a break because he realised that 80% of the population do not want to hear the message in a direct way because that does not work. We have all experienced this. Thus his approach: “Silence is Golden, wisdom brings peace” and leading with non-verbal communication seems to be very wise and makes a lot of sense to me.
His explanation of the effects of the modern version of the ‘Latwerges’, the toxic injections, is a much more hopeful message that the one coming out of the health freedom community which is full of pseudo scientific babble and alarming prognostications about spike proteins which in all likelihood do not get produced and so like the viruses do not exist. A lot of people out there are chasing phantoms.
The effect on the human organism of fear trauma, which can arise from a multitude of causes, is totally underestimated by the general public and also by the medical establishment, doctors etc. I personally have experience of this and at a certain point in life, a long time ago, I managed to terrorise myself into becoming unpleasantly ill from a threat which I now know does not exist. I also know that I might have died from that self-induced terror if circumstances had been slightly different. But I was lucky.
Transcript & Voiceover creation
I want to dispel the idea which many people may have today that with the new AI tools you can just take a video, put it through some kind of clever software and get a perfectly translated product out of the other end with either subtitles or a synthetic voiceover. Unfortunately, it does not work like that and I have come to the conclusion that it will never work like that for this type of creation if you require a high quality translation for a serious topic. You will undoubtedly get a flavour of that it you try to listen to the YouTube auto dubbed version of this video.
The other thing which has to be said is that there is no such thing as a definitive ‘translation’ of speech or writing which contains difficult and technical words and concepts. You can accurately ‘translate’ a single word or simple sentence into another language which contains the appropriate vocabulary to describe the thing but it when it comes to concepts and ideas it really starts to get much more difficult. If you are exchanging one currency into another then you can say with certainty that money has been translated into an equivalent value in another currency, but with words and ideas from one language into another, I think it can only ever be an ‘interpretation’ or a rough equivalence. So that’s the term I prefer to use now.
So very often as with an interview like this from Lanka … in the ‘old days’ (I mean in 2020) I would just listen to this over and over again and start to write down, usually in the original German what was being said. And sometimes it is easy and this goes quickly but it sometimes it is not easy at all for a great many reasons. Some of these are — the person might be talking with a strong accent, they might be using dialect, they might be slurring their words or speaking too fast. And then, even with perfect speakers, depending on the environment in which the recording was made there might be extraneous noise which drowns out some of what is said, or the technical quality of the audio recording may be poor etc etc. Then another problem which can really slow things down is when technical terms are used which the translator is not familiar with in their own language. Lots of research is then required and there’s no way around that. This was a case in point for the interpretation we did of the work of the late Arne Burkhardt, a German pathology Prof. and the first person to analyse tissue from vaccine deceased victims using histology tissue staining techniques to evidence damage from the toxic injections. This is such a technical topic and we were fortunate to get Burkhardt (fortunately just before he ‘died unexpectedly’ - I don’t know what happened there) to look over our interpretation which he approved and clarified a couple of translation issues we could not resolve.
Direct machine reading of audio files and translation tools were not totally absent in 2020 so we could use these for various project but when I think what we got out of them 4 years ago there have been remarkable improvements in the intervening period but, at then end of the day, these are just machines working better. You cannot eliminate the amazing capabilities of the human brain to have the big picture, to see things in context, to have or acquire all the necessary knowledge of the person, the topic etc to bring all this together into something which is consistent and makes sense.
So I just don’t think AI will ever do that — there will surely be further improvements but at the end of the day it's only another tool, a mechanical tool to work quicker, leaving more time for the real creative process which only humans can do.
Research notes
in no particular order (usual sources, ChatGPT etc)
Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer
**Ryke Geerd Hamer** was a German physician who claimed to have discovered a new system of medicine, known as German New Medicine (GNM), which he described as a new understanding of human biology. He was a practicing physician and professor of medicine in Germany and Italy, specializing in internal medicine and oncology, and held a medical license from 1963 until it was revoked in 1986 due to malpractice allegations. Hamer developed his theory after the death of his son in 1978 in a strange shooting incident while the son was on vacation and Hamer’s subsequent diagnosis with testicular cancer, leading him to research the connection between emotional shock and disease, which he claimed resulted in a 100% correlation between brain lesions and cancer locations His system, based on five "biological laws," posits that diseases are meaningful biological programs initiated by unresolved conflicts, not random errors, and that healing occurs when the conflict is resolved.
Virchow and his era:
Who was Virchow?
Rudolf Carl Virchow (13 October 1821 – 5 September 1902) was a German physician, pathologist, anthropologist, biologist, writer, editor, and politician, widely regarded as one of the most influential figures in 19th-century medicine. He is best known as the "father of modern pathology" and the founder of cellular pathology, having proposed that diseases arise from changes in cells, a concept he encapsulated in his famous aphorism *omnis cellula e cellula* ("every cell comes from a [preexisting] cell") Although this idea built on earlier work by scientists like Robert Remak, Virchow systematized it into a foundational principle of cell theory and modern medical science.
Virchow studied medicine at the Friedrich-Wilhelms-Institut in Berlin, earning his medical degree in 1843, and began his career at the Charité Hospital His investigation of a typhus outbreak in Upper Silesia in 1848 profoundly influenced his views, leading him to advocate for social medicine—the idea that health is deeply intertwined with social and economic conditions He famously stated, "Medicine is a social science, and politics is nothing else but medicine on a large scale".
In addition to his medical contributions, Virchow was a prominent social reformer and politician. He was elected to the Berlin City Council in 1859, where he played a key role in modernizing the city's public health infrastructure, including the development of its water and sewage systems and the implementation of compulsory meat inspection to prevent trichinosis He was a member of the Prussian Diet and later the Reichstag from 1880 to 1893, where he opposed Otto von Bismarck and championed public health, education, and minority rights.
Virchow also contributed to anthropology and comparative pathology, recognizing the connections between human and animal diseases (zoonoses), and he founded the journal *Archiv für pathologische Anatomie und Physiologie*, later known as *Virchows Archiv* His seminal work *Die Cellularpathologie*, published in 1858, established cellular pathology as a scientific discipline He died in Berlin in 1902 after suffering a hip fracture from a fall.
At the time of Virchov what was happening politically?
Rudolf Virchow lived from 13 October 1821 to 5 September 1902, placing his life and work firmly within the 19th century in Germany, then part of the Kingdom of Prussia and later the German Empire He was born in Schivelbein, Pomerania.
Virchow was a prominent liberal politician during a period marked by competing ideologies such as conservatism, socialism, and nationalism He co-founded the German Progressive Party (Deutsche Fortschrittspartei), the first modern political party in Germany, and was elected to the Prussian House of Representatives in 1861, where he advocated for democratic reforms and parliamentary rights He later served in the Reichstag from 1880 to 1893 as a member of the liberal Freisinnige faction
A central figure in the Prussian constitutional conflict, Virchow famously opposed Otto von Bismarck over the budget rights of parliament, leading to a duel challenge from Bismarck, which Virchow declined on principle, viewing the conflict as political rather than personal He was a staunch defender of secularism and supported the Kulturkampf, advocating for the strict separation of church and state He also opposed antisemitism, colonialism, and militarism, and criticized Prussia’s Germanization policies toward Poles, declaring such forced expulsions as acts of violence.
Virchow believed that politics was "medicine on a grand scale" and that public health reform required political action His political career was deeply intertwined with his scientific work, particularly in advancing social medicine, which emphasized that poverty and social conditions were root causes of disease As a member of the Berlin City Council from 1859 until his death, he championed major public health reforms, including the development of Berlin’s modern sewer system, improved water supply, meat inspection, and school health programs These efforts were instrumental in transforming Berlin into a modern, hygienic city by the end of the 19th century.
From where did Virchow gain the political support to get his ideas established in medicine?
Rudolf Virchow's political support base stemmed from his role as a co-founder and leader of the German Progressive Party (Deutsche Fortschrittspartei), a liberal political party established in 1861 that opposed the authoritarian policies of Otto von Bismarck and advocated for constitutional governance, minority rights, and social reform His leadership in this party provided the platform through which he advanced public health reform as a member of both the Prussian Diet and later the German Reichstag from 1880 to 1893.
Virchow's advocacy for public health reform was deeply rooted in his belief that medicine was inherently a social science and that political action was essential to improving population health He famously stated, “medicine is a social science, and politics is nothing more than medicine on a grand scale” This philosophy guided his practical contributions, including designing Berlin’s modern water and sewer systems, introducing mandatory medical examinations for schoolchildren, and establishing hospitals and clinics for the underprivileged.
His commitment to public health originated during his investigation of a typhus epidemic in Upper Silesia in 1848, where he concluded that poverty, poor hygiene, and governmental neglect were primary causes of disease This experience led him to found the weekly newspaper *Medical Reform* in July 1848, which promoted social medicine and called for structural changes to address the social determinants of health These early efforts laid the foundation for his later political initiatives aimed at improving sanitation, education, and healthcare access through legislative and municipal action.
What was the main political event in 1848 Germany which helped install Virchow into his professorship at Würzberg?
Rudolf Virchow played an active role in the 1848 German Revolution, participating in the March uprising in Berlin shortly after returning from investigating a typhus epidemic in Upper Silesia His political activities, including co-founding the socio-political newspaper *Die Medizinische Reform* to promote social medicine and advocate for the poor, reflected his radical democratic views He believed that public health issues could only be addressed through sweeping social reforms and "full and unlimited democracy".
Due to his involvement in the revolution and his criticism of the government's handling of the typhus outbreak, Virchow faced political backlash. Although initially suspended from his position at the Charité Hospital in Berlin, he was reinstated in a reduced role as prosector "on probation" However, this demotion, coupled with ongoing political pressure, led him to accept a new opportunity.
In 1849, Virchow was appointed to the first chair of pathological anatomy at the University of Würzburg, a position created specifically for him This move effectively removed him from Berlin’s political center and marked a shift toward a more focused scientific career His time in Würzburg is regarded as a period of major scientific productivity, during which he advanced cellular pathology and published foundational works He remained in Würzburg until 1856, when he returned to Berlin to lead the new Institute for Pathology at the Charité.
Who was the politician - Mr Heese ? - who took Virchow under his wing and created the appointment for him at Würzburg?
There is no historical evidence that a politician named "Mr. Heese" played a role in Rudolf Virchow’s appointment to the University of Würzburg in 1849.
Virchow’s appointment as the first Chair of Pathological Anatomy at Würzburg was facilitated by the Bavarian government, which sought to strengthen scientific medicine in its universities. At the time, Bavaria was under the rule of King Maximilian II, and the appointment was part of broader educational and administrative reforms taking place in the kingdom.
While Virchow had become politically prominent during the 1848 revolutions for his liberal views and public health advocacy—positions that made him controversial in Prussia—his scientific reputation also grew rapidly. His groundbreaking work in cellular pathology and his influential reports on the typhus epidemic in Upper Silesia demonstrated both his medical expertise and his commitment to social reform.
The move to Würzburg in 1849 is often interpreted not as patronage by a specific individual like "Mr. Heese," but rather as a strategic decision by Bavarian authorities to recruit a leading medical reformer, while also removing a politically active figure from the more volatile environment of Berlin. After five years in Würzburg, Virchow returned to Berlin in 1856 to lead the newly established Institute of Pathology at the Charité, where he continued both his scientific and public health work.
In short, no known politician named Heese was involved in Virchow’s career. The claim appears to be historically inaccurate or based on a misunderstanding or fictional account.
Who was Robert Remack at the university of Würzberg in the time of Virchow?
Robert Remak was not associated with the University of Würzburg; his primary professional activities took place in Berlin. He conducted much of his research at the Charité Hospital in Berlin and was an unpaid assistant in Johannes Müller's laboratory at the University of Berlin Despite his significant scientific contributions, Remak faced discrimination due to his Jewish heritage and was repeatedly denied a full professorship, only being appointed assistant professor in 1859
In contrast, Rudolf Virchow held the first chair of pathological anatomy at the University of Würzburg from 1849 to 1856 During this seven-year period, he focused on scientific work, including studies on venous thrombosis and cellular theory, and published his six-volume *Handbuch der speciellen Pathologie und Therapie* in 1854. In 1856, Virchow returned to Berlin to assume the chair of pathological anatomy and physiology at the Friedrich-Wilhelms-University and became director of the new Institute for Pathology at the Charité, a position Remak had hoped to obtain.
The timeline highlights a key overlap in their scientific contributions: Robert Remak published convincing evidence in 1852 that cells arise from the division of pre-existing cells However, Virchow, who initially adhered to older theories like the cytoblastem theory, did not accept this idea until around 1855, when he famously stated *omnis cellula e cellula* ("all cells come from cells") This principle became a cornerstone of cell theory, though it was based on Remak’s earlier, under-recognized work Historian Paul Weindling and other sources assert that Virchow effectively plagiarized Remak’s discovery by failing to credit him when promoting the concept The appointment of Virchow to the Berlin chair in 1856, over Remak, further strained their relationship and may have contributed to Remak’s bitterness.
What was Remack's theory of medicine and how did it differ from Virchow's?
Robert Remak and Rudolf Virchow both contributed to the development of cell theory, particularly the principle that cells arise from pre-existing cells, but their roles and recognition differ significantly.
Robert Remak, a neurologist and embryologist, provided convincing experimental evidence in 1852 that cells are derived from other cells through cell division, particularly observing this process in the development of nerve cells and embryonic tissues His work established the concept of cell lineage and demonstrated that cell division occurs in both healthy and diseased tissues Despite this, his findings were not widely accepted at the time and had limited influence on the broader medical community.
Rudolf Virchow, a prominent pathologist, later popularized the same principle in 1855 with the Latin phrase *omnis cellula e cellula* ("all cells come from cells"). Although he did not originate the idea, Virchow integrated it into a comprehensive framework of cellular pathology, asserting that diseases arise from abnormalities in individual cells rather than imbalances in tissues or humors. His 1858 work *Cellular Pathology* systematized this concept and laid the foundation for modern medical diagnostics and pathology.
A key difference lies in recognition and influence: while Remak provided the earlier and more direct evidence, Virchow's status and reputation enabled him to disseminate the concept widely However, Virchow did not credit Remak, leading to controversy over plagiarism, as Remak had published the same idea three years earlier By modern standards, Virchow’s failure to cite Remak would be considered unethical, especially given their shared professional environment.
Embryonic development & cell theory
What is a blastula?
A blastula is an early stage of embryonic development in many animal species, characterized by a hollow sphere of cells called blastomeres that surround a fluid-filled cavity known as the blastocoel This stage follows the cleavage of the fertilized egg, during which rapid cell divisions transform the zygote into a multicellular structure without an increase in overall size The formation of the blastula occurs after the morula stage, with the key distinction being the development of the blastocoel, which creates a hollow structure as opposed to the solid ball of cells seen in the morula
In vertebrates, the blastula typically consists of a layer of cells called the blastoderm surrounding the blastocoel However, in mammals, this stage is specifically referred to as a blastocyst, which features two distinct cell populations: the outer trophoblast, which contributes to the placenta, and the inner cell mass (ICM), which gives rise to the embryo proper The process of forming the blastula is known as blastulation
The blastula precedes the gastrula stage, and the transition from blastula to gastrula involves gastrulation, during which the three primary germ layers—ectoderm, mesoderm, and endoderm—are established The blastula is considered a critical developmental milestone because it sets the stage for cell differentiation and the complex morphogenetic movements required for subsequent development Any disruption during this stage can lead to severe developmental defects or embryonic lethality
What is invagination?
Invagination is a key morphogenetic process in early embryonic development where a region of a cell sheet folds inward, forming a pocket or tube. This inward folding is essential for transforming the hollow blastula into a multilayered structure called the gastrula during a phase known as gastrulation.
During invagination:
· Cells on one side of the blastula (typically at the vegetal pole) fold inward toward the blastocoel (the fluid-filled cavity).
· This creates the archenteron, the primitive digestive cavity, which will eventually become the gut.
· The opening of the archenteron to the outside is called the blastopore, which in some organisms develops into the mouth (protostomes) or the anus (deuterostomes).
Invagination is one of several coordinated cell movements in gastrulation, alongside processes like ingression, involution, and epiboly. It establishes the three primary germ layers:
· Ectoderm (outer layer),
· Mesoderm (middle layer),
· Endoderm (inner layer),
which give rise to all tissues and organs in the body. This process is highly conserved across animal species and is crucial for proper embryonic patterning and development.
Genetics
Who was Erwin Chargaff?
Erwin Chargaff (11 August 1905 – 20 June 2002) was an Austro-Hungarian-born American biochemist, professor of biochemistry at Columbia University, and a pioneer in the study of nucleic acids. He is best known for discovering what are now called Chargaff's rules, which state that in DNA, the amount of adenine (A) equals thymine (T), and the amount of guanine (G) equals cytosine (C), and that the base composition varies between species. These findings were crucial to the later discovery of the double-helix structure of DNA by James Watson and Francis Crick, as they provided essential evidence for base pairing. Chargaff, who immigrated to the United States during the Nazi regime, became increasingly critical of molecular biology and genetic engineering in his later years, warning of its potential dangers.
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/biography/erwin-chargaff
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2002/jul/02/guardianobituaries.obituaries
Chargaff’s book the Heaclitean Fire – what was the message?
Erwin Chargaff's 1978 autobiography *Heraclitean Fire: Sketches from a Life Before Nature* conveys a deeply reflective and cautionary perspective on science, nature, and humanity's place within it. One of its central themes is the loss of wonder and holistic understanding in modern science due to excessive specialization and the fragmentation of knowledge. Chargaff laments that the natural sciences, once driven by a poetic and philosophical curiosity about nature, have devolved into a hyper-specialized, mechanistic profession focused on narrow technical achievements rather than profound understanding. He argues that while science aims to explore the explorable, it often mistakes explanation for true understanding, leaving deeper mysteries untouched
A major takeaway is Chargaff’s profound unease with the trajectory of molecular biology and genetic engineering. He warns that unchecked technological advancement, particularly in genetics, poses an existential threat to the biosphere, famously predicting a "molecular Auschwitz" — a dystopian future where life is industrialized and exploited for biochemical products This reflects his belief that tampering with the fundamental code of life risks irreversible harm, surpassing even the dangers of nuclear technology.
Chargaff also critiques the institutionalization of science, highlighting how the "publish or perish" culture and dependence on funding distort scientific integrity and stifle genuine inquiry He expresses alienation from the scientific community, viewing many of his peers as dull competitors rather than wise seekers of truth Additionally, he reflects on language as a defining human attribute, warning that its degradation signals a broader moral and intellectual decline.
Ultimately, *Heraclitean Fire* serves as both a personal memoir and a philosophical meditation, urging a return to humility, ethical responsibility, and a more integrated vision of science within the broader context of life and nature.
Did the Austrian Prof Fritz Pohl refute the DNA double helix?
ChatGPT said:
Yes — Fritz Pohl (1902–1990), an Austrian physicist and crystallographer, is remembered partly because he refused to accept the Watson–Crick double helix model of DNA.
Here are the key points:
Background: Pohl was trained as a physicist and worked in crystallography. He spent much of his career in Vienna.
DNA controversy: After Watson and Crick proposed the double helix in 1953 (with supporting X-ray data from Rosalind Franklin and Maurice Wilkins), Pohl disagreed with their interpretation.
He favored alternative DNA structures (non-helical or triple-stranded arrangements) and never accepted the helical model as definitive.
His skepticism lasted into the 1960s, even after overwhelming experimental evidence supported the helix.
Historical footnote: Because Pohl remained unconvinced, he is often cited in histories of molecular biology as an example of how even experienced scientists sometimes resisted the now-established DNA model.
✅ So yes: Professor Fritz Pohl did refuse the DNA double helix, standing among the minority of scientists who never accepted Watson and Crick’s model during their lifetime.
Would you like me to pull up a primary reference — say, Pohl’s own publications arguing against the double helix?
Here’s what I found regarding Austrian Professor Fritz Pohl and his stance on the DNA double helix:
Overview: What Pohl Did — and Didn't — Do
Fritz M. Pohl (often cited as Fritz M. Pohl) was a physicist and crystallographer who researched DNA’s structural behavior under varying conditions, particularly high salt concentrations.
However, he did not reject the Watson–Crick double-helix model outright. Instead, he investigated alternative DNA conformations, including transitions from right-handed (B-form) to left-handed (Z-form) DNA, under certain conditions.
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Key Primary References by Fritz M. Pohl
Note in Naturwissenschaften, 1967:
Pohl reported that high salt conditions could invert the helical sense of DNA—from the usual right-handed to left-handed—while retaining base stacking.
He described this as “one conceivable extension of the existing one [Watson–Crick B-DNA], but neither confirmed nor excluded by direct experiment.”
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Salt-induced conformational studies:
1972 (J. Mol. Biol.): Salt-induced co-operative conformational change of a synthetic DNA: equilibrium and kinetic studies with poly(dG-dC). — Pohl and Jovin analyzed salt-dependent DNA conformational shifts.
PMC+11976 (Nature): Polymorphism of a synthetic DNA in solution. — Pohl detailed DNA adopting alternative conformations, beyond the classic double helix.
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Later structural explorations:
1976 (Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A), 1979, and early 1980s: Additional research into non-canonical DNA structures and their properties appeared in peer-reviewed journals.
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What This Means
Pohl did not "refuse" the DNA double helix, but rather proposed that DNA may adopt other stable forms under specific biochemical conditions—particularly high salt—that differ from the standard B-form.
Far from denying Watson and Crick’s model, he expanded the discussion of DNA’s structural polymorphism.
Therefore, the claim that Pohl rejected the double-helix model is inaccurate. His work should instead be seen as a significant contribution toward understanding DNA’s structural flexibility.
Summary
Claim
Reality
Pohl rejected the DNA double helix
No: He accepted it but explored alternative conformations
He worked on structural alternatives like left-handed DNA
Yes: Observed salt-induced right-to-left handed transitions
He published these findings in peer-reviewed venues in the 1960s–1970s
Yes: Naturwissenschaften (1967), J. Mol. Biol. (1972), Nature (1976), etc.
Theologian Günter Schwarz
Who was Günter Schwarz?
Full name: Günther Schwarz
Born: 9 May 1928, Neumünster, Germany
Died: 28 December 2009, Reichelsheim (Odenwald), Germany
Profession: Protestant theologian, pastor, and Aramaic scholar
Specialization: The original language of Jesus (Aramaic) and the authentic meaning of Jesus’ words.
Career path:
Studied Protestant theology in Hamburg, Marburg, and Göttingen.
Worked as a pastor in the Evangelical Church in Hesse and Nassau.
Later became a teacher of New Testament studies at the University of Hamburg.
Retired to Odenwald, where he continued his Aramaic research.
🕰️ When Did He Do This Work?
1950s–1960s: Began his studies of the Aramaic background of the Gospels.
1960s–1990s: Over five decades, he worked on reconstructing and retranslating sayings of Jesus.
1990s–2000s: Published multiple works where he presented his findings, including books specifically comparing the Greek Gospels with reconstructed Aramaic sayings.
Example: Die Jesus-Sprüche (1991), Die poetischen Jesus-Worte (1999), and others.
By the late 1990s he had concluded that about half of Jesus’ words were mistranslated, and dedicated his later years to showing how Aramaic reconstructions offered a different, often more poetic and authentic message.
✨ His Core Contribution
Schwarz’s life work was essentially an “Aramaic recovery project”:
He believed Jesus’ words only make their full sense when reconstructed back into Aramaic.
The Greek Gospels (and later translations) often missed nuances, poetry, and meaning.
He produced alternative translations aiming to capture what Jesus most likely said and meant.
Famous for the sharp statement:
“What Christians believe, Jesus did not teach. And what Jesus taught, Christians do not know.”
🗂️ Selected Works
Die Jesus-Sprüche (1991) – “The Sayings of Jesus”
Die poetischen Jesus-Worte (1999) – “The Poetic Words of Jesus”
Das Aramäische Neu übersetzt (2005) – “The Aramaic Newly Translated”
What contradiction did Günter Schwarz resolve?
You’re referring to a fascinating and radical discovery made by the theologian Günther Schwarz, which indeed revolves around a profound translation contradiction.
Günther Schwarz, a German Aramaic expert and theologian, worked intensively—for 50 years—to understand Jesus’ teachings in their original language. Through his deep study, Schwarz identified a significant contradiction:
He found that about half of Jesus’ words in the Gospels had been mistranslated, or possibly even deliberately falsified, in the traditional Greek-based translations.
In his own words:
“What Christians believe, Jesus did not teach! And what Jesus taught — the Christians do not know.” Scoop.it
In resolving this contradiction, Schwarz essentially asserted that:
What is widely accepted in Christian teaching does not accurately reflect Jesus’ authentic words or message, because the translations obscured—or altered—His actual meaning.
Conversely, Jesus’ true teachings have been lost or misconstrued by the Christian tradition, due to these flawed translations from Greek back into other languages, rather than directly from Aramaic.
Thus, he resolved the contradiction between:
The official doctrine or Christian teaching ("What Christians believe"), and
Jesus’ actual words and intentions (as he argued were better revealed through Aramaic).
Q: Translated from Aramaic is a quote from Mark 9 which says 'If you have salt, you have peace among you'. What is this interpreted to mean?
ChatGPT said:
That’s a great example of where the Aramaic background sheds light on a puzzling Greek saying.
1. The Greek Text of Mark 9:50
Most Bibles render it something like:
“Salt is good; but if the salt has lost its saltiness, how will you season it? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with one another.”
2. The Aramaic Reconstruction (“If you have salt, you have peace among you”)
In Aramaic, the word “salt” could mean more than a seasoning:
It was a metaphor for loyalty, covenant, and inner integrity.
“Covenant of salt” (cf. Lev 2:13; Num 18:19; 2 Chr 13:5) symbolized permanence, faithfulness, and relationship.
Salt also preserved food — so metaphorically, it preserves community.
So, “If you have salt, you have peace among you” points to:
If you retain faithfulness, loyalty, and inner integrity, you will have peace with one another.
“Salt in yourselves” = hold on to qualities that preserve community.
Peace isn’t something imposed; it grows naturally from that inner “salt.”
3. Interpretation
Ethical sense: Jesus may be telling his disciples that community harmony depends on the preserving quality of inner truthfulness and loyalty.
Spiritual sense: If disciples remain rooted in the covenant (God’s faithfulness), they will not fall into quarrels or rivalry.
Practical sense: Just as salt prevents corruption, so inner “salt” prevents corruption of relationships, making peace possible.
4. Günther Schwarz’s Contribution
Schwarz suggested that the Aramaic form makes the statement more straightforward:
Instead of two separate commands (“Have salt in yourselves” + “Be at peace”), it’s one flowing thought:
“If you have salt, you have peace among you.”
This shows that peace is not an additional demand but a result of having salt (faithfulness, integrity, covenant loyalty).
✅ In short: The saying means that true peace in community doesn’t come by command alone — it comes because the disciples preserve within themselves the “salt” of loyalty, truth, and covenant faithfulness.
In German, Scharfsinn = sharp witted, preceptiveness, or acumen
But does ‘acumen’ capture the sense of salt?
Q: What would be a single word in English which captures this sense of having 'salt' in people? Could it be perceptiveness for example or the the word acumen. What single word captures this meaning the best?
ChatGPT said:
Good question — “salt” in that Aramaic sense is hard to boil down to a single modern English word, because it carries flavor, preserving power, loyalty, integrity, covenant-faithfulness, inner vitality all at once.
If I had to choose one single English word that comes closest, it would be:
“integrity.”
It suggests inner wholeness and incorruptibility.
It preserves relationships, builds trust, and naturally leads to peace.
It overlaps with loyalty/faithfulness in the covenant sense, but also with “preserving from decay.”
Other candidates, depending on nuance:
“Faithfulness” → stresses loyalty/covenant reliability.
“Vitality” → stresses inner life-force.
“Wisdom” → stresses perceptive, preserving insight.
“Character” → stresses moral substance.
✅ But if we’re looking for one word that best captures “If you have salt, you have peace among you,” I’d say:
“If you have integrity, you will have peace among you.”
What were the Latwerge in Goethe’s Faust
The Latwerge mentioned by Goethe in Faust refers to a harmful, mercury-containing "plague medicine" used during historical plague outbreaks.1 Goethe describes it as a "höllischen Latwergen" (hellish Latwergen), which was a toxic substance, specifically a mercury-based syrup, that was administered to plague victims.1 He criticizes its use, noting that it caused patients to "wither away" and die, while the physicians who administered it were still praised.1 This critique is part of Goethe's broader commentary on the perceived failures and moral failings of the medical establishment during the plague, suggesting that the treatments themselves were a significant cause of death rather than a cure.
I’m reposting this interview. Excellent background work, Howard, especially about the biologists mentioned by Lanka. Debunking virology is like cleaning the Augean stables, except that more shit keeps popping up!
There is a lot of work involved in producing this - thank you very much for sharing it Howard. It is good to hear from Stefan Lanka again.